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	<title>Comments on: William Sanders, You Stay Classy!</title>
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		<title>By: Tracey C.</title>
		<link>http://tempest.fluidartist.com/william-sanders-you-stay-classy/comment-page-1/#comment-9179</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracey C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Tempest, looks like people were listening after all.

From Steven Silver:

&quot;William Sanders has announced that the Hugo-nominated on-line sf magazine Helix SF will cease publication following its tenth issue (which will be online beginning on October 1). Sanders has said that part of the reason was the magazine’s “ongoing failure to develop a broad base of support.”&quot;

I&#039;m proud of my fandom right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Tempest, looks like people were listening after all.</p>
<p>From Steven Silver:</p>
<p>&#8220;William Sanders has announced that the Hugo-nominated on-line sf magazine Helix SF will cease publication following its tenth issue (which will be online beginning on October 1). Sanders has said that part of the reason was the magazine’s “ongoing failure to develop a broad base of support.”&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m proud of my fandom right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Helix is dead &#171; The Eclectic Hedonist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helix is dead &#171; The Eclectic Hedonist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] whole incident was widely circulated and discussed at the time, and Tempest wrote: I’m going to say again: When will we, as a community, collectively shunn these people until they [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Summary of a Train Wreck: Helix Speculative Fiction Magazine&#8217;s Sordid Bigotry and Blunders : Spontaneous Derivation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Summary of a Train Wreck: Helix Speculative Fiction Magazine&#8217;s Sordid Bigotry and Blunders : Spontaneous Derivation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] K. Tempest Bradford notes, very [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Amy Sterling Casil</title>
		<link>http://tempest.fluidartist.com/william-sanders-you-stay-classy/comment-page-1/#comment-7089</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Sterling Casil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tempest, you also need to know that Dave Truesdale was supportive of my work when I first started out.  It has been pretty painful to me to think he could like my writing, which is just about 100% opposite in ideas, themes and characters to the type of thing he seems to promote now, and express these opinions.  I&#039;ve wondered &quot;why&quot; many times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tempest, you also need to know that Dave Truesdale was supportive of my work when I first started out.  It has been pretty painful to me to think he could like my writing, which is just about 100% opposite in ideas, themes and characters to the type of thing he seems to promote now, and express these opinions.  I&#8217;ve wondered &#8220;why&#8221; many times.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Sterling Casil</title>
		<link>http://tempest.fluidartist.com/william-sanders-you-stay-classy/comment-page-1/#comment-7088</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Sterling Casil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tempest -

I think I expressed something similar (having just read Dave Truesdale&#039;s commentary this a.m.).  

http://asterling.typepad.com/incipit_vita_nova/2008/07/maw-why-dont-th.html

Regarding shunning, this idea came to me a while ago, and yes, Sanders was one of the people I thought of.  Most people who read it took it to mean just &quot;internet trolls,&quot; but I did mean more to it - similar to your idea.

http://asterling.typepad.com/incipit_vita_nova/2008/05/intershunning.html

Stay strong.  I like Martha Jones, by the way.  She&#039;s really cool, and the only trouble I have was her extreme unrequited crush on the Doctor.  Didn&#039;t make a lot of sense considering the big wanky baby that he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tempest -</p>
<p>I think I expressed something similar (having just read Dave Truesdale&#8217;s commentary this a.m.).  </p>
<p><a href="http://asterling.typepad.com/incipit_vita_nova/2008/07/maw-why-dont-th.html" rel="nofollow">http://asterling.typepad.com/incipit_vita_nova/2008/07/maw-why-dont-th.html</a></p>
<p>Regarding shunning, this idea came to me a while ago, and yes, Sanders was one of the people I thought of.  Most people who read it took it to mean just &#8220;internet trolls,&#8221; but I did mean more to it &#8211; similar to your idea.</p>
<p><a href="http://asterling.typepad.com/incipit_vita_nova/2008/05/intershunning.html" rel="nofollow">http://asterling.typepad.com/incipit_vita_nova/2008/05/intershunning.html</a></p>
<p>Stay strong.  I like Martha Jones, by the way.  She&#8217;s really cool, and the only trouble I have was her extreme unrequited crush on the Doctor.  Didn&#8217;t make a lot of sense considering the big wanky baby that he is.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashok Banker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashok Banker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You go, girl! Tough as it is to withstand the withering gaze of your critical eye (you know what I&#039;m talking about, me wtf author, me) I enjoy your rants, and this time you are onto something. Now, if only more of the racists and bigots in American SF publishing could be outed this easily--and there are a lot more who aren&#039;t inbred+stupid enough to holler their slurs online and live long, comfortable lives KKK&#039;ing the field with nobody but their closest associates and colleagues (read: white colleagues) knowing about it. Now those are some really pantiwhateverulous people and someday they will be known by the colour of their hatred. Fingers crossed. 

Write on! Even if it&#039;s to criticize wtf authors like moi. Because it just hones your word-knives for douchebags like the now-infamous &quot;Col.&quot; Sanders. I&#039;ve had my encounters with his like and have the scars to show it. Which is probably what makes me prickly about criticism at times. 

Write on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You go, girl! Tough as it is to withstand the withering gaze of your critical eye (you know what I&#8217;m talking about, me wtf author, me) I enjoy your rants, and this time you are onto something. Now, if only more of the racists and bigots in American SF publishing could be outed this easily&#8211;and there are a lot more who aren&#8217;t inbred+stupid enough to holler their slurs online and live long, comfortable lives KKK&#8217;ing the field with nobody but their closest associates and colleagues (read: white colleagues) knowing about it. Now those are some really pantiwhateverulous people and someday they will be known by the colour of their hatred. Fingers crossed. </p>
<p>Write on! Even if it&#8217;s to criticize wtf authors like moi. Because it just hones your word-knives for douchebags like the now-infamous &#8220;Col.&#8221; Sanders. I&#8217;ve had my encounters with his like and have the scars to show it. Which is probably what makes me prickly about criticism at times. </p>
<p>Write on.</p>
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		<title>By: Revena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Revena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...wow.  I want to say something more intelligent, but I&#039;m just... wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;wow.  I want to say something more intelligent, but I&#8217;m just&#8230; wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mentioned that Sanders makes words up, which he clearly does, but unfortunately he didn&#039;t invent &quot;waterhead&quot;.  It has a clear definition per the Urban Dictionary:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=water+head

Sanders is 10 pounds of revolting in a 5-pound bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mentioned that Sanders makes words up, which he clearly does, but unfortunately he didn&#8217;t invent &#8220;waterhead&#8221;.  It has a clear definition per the Urban Dictionary:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=water+head" rel="nofollow">http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=water+head</a></p>
<p>Sanders is 10 pounds of revolting in a 5-pound bag.</p>
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		<title>By: Diatryma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diatryma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of like &#039;pantiwadulous&#039;.  I do not, however, like its word-minter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of like &#8216;pantiwadulous&#8217;.  I do not, however, like its word-minter.</p>
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		<title>By: Too Through&#8230; &#171; Words From The Center, Words From The Edge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Too Through&#8230; &#171; Words From The Center, Words From The Edge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tempest describes what was left on the pages of the stories that were removed and in a post today Sa...Now keep in mind that just yesterday his letter said Melanie shouldn&#8217;t have to deal with this and he would take care of everything. My guess is that either a bunch of folks sent in requests and he&#8217;s trying to stem the tide by charging or his petulance is growing exponentially as he discovers most folks now know he&#8217;s a bigot. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Tempest describes what was left on the pages of the stories that were removed and in a post today Sa&#8230;Now keep in mind that just yesterday his letter said Melanie shouldn&#8217;t have to deal with this and he would take care of everything. My guess is that either a bunch of folks sent in requests and he&#8217;s trying to stem the tide by charging or his petulance is growing exponentially as he discovers most folks now know he&#8217;s a bigot. [...]</p>
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