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		<title>By: Angel H.</title>
		<link>http://tempest.fluidartist.com/almost-everything-ive-ever-wanted-to-say-to-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-7827</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In John 13:35, Jesus says, &quot;By this all will know you are my disciples, if you have love for another.&quot; The best way to convert anybody to your beliefs (no matter what they are) is not through hatred, ostracizing, fear or intimidation, but to show love and respect for everyone no matter whomever/whatever/if ever they choose to worship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In John 13:35, Jesus says, &#8220;By this all will know you are my disciples, if you have love for another.&#8221; The best way to convert anybody to your beliefs (no matter what they are) is not through hatred, ostracizing, fear or intimidation, but to show love and respect for everyone no matter whomever/whatever/if ever they choose to worship.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H.</title>
		<link>http://tempest.fluidartist.com/almost-everything-ive-ever-wanted-to-say-to-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-7826</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Icon-love! ^_^</description>
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		<title>By: Samuel Tinianow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Tinianow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out of the people I know, it&#039;s been my observation that the ones who are religious tend *on average* to be less open to accept other&#039;s beliefs, less open-minded about their own religion, and more offensive when someone else questions them. However, most of them don&#039;t go looking for a fight with other (non)religious groups and are content to do the bulk of their declaiming within their own circle.

People I&#039;ve known who are atheists, and who are very closed-minded about it, have tended to be much more active. Out of all the religious missonaries and recruiters I&#039;ve been approached by, especially in recent years, the majority have been atheists, and they have tended to be more rude, more intrusive, and more personally demeaning than any other group on the whole--and that tally includes the time I got invited to a &quot;movie night&quot; that turned out to be a recruitment session for Xenos Christian Fellowship in disguise. 

(Error analysis: I was a student at Emerson College within the past 5 years, which may be affecting my count)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of the people I know, it&#8217;s been my observation that the ones who are religious tend *on average* to be less open to accept other&#8217;s beliefs, less open-minded about their own religion, and more offensive when someone else questions them. However, most of them don&#8217;t go looking for a fight with other (non)religious groups and are content to do the bulk of their declaiming within their own circle.</p>
<p>People I&#8217;ve known who are atheists, and who are very closed-minded about it, have tended to be much more active. Out of all the religious missonaries and recruiters I&#8217;ve been approached by, especially in recent years, the majority have been atheists, and they have tended to be more rude, more intrusive, and more personally demeaning than any other group on the whole&#8211;and that tally includes the time I got invited to a &#8220;movie night&#8221; that turned out to be a recruitment session for Xenos Christian Fellowship in disguise. </p>
<p>(Error analysis: I was a student at Emerson College within the past 5 years, which may be affecting my count)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt&#8217;s Bookosphere 7/18/8 &#171; Enter the Octopus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt&#8217;s Bookosphere 7/18/8 &#171; Enter the Octopus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 01:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt Smit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Smit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree with you more.  I also want to note that I don&#039;t agree with many of the above commenters that Christians are more likely to be snobby/offensive about religion than atheists- I think, in terms of sheer numbers, that there are more offensive Christians, and that they tend to get more public airtime and attention due to their privileged status, but proportionally, I find that snobbery is spread about equally regardless of religious affiliation (or lack thereof).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  I also want to note that I don&#8217;t agree with many of the above commenters that Christians are more likely to be snobby/offensive about religion than atheists- I think, in terms of sheer numbers, that there are more offensive Christians, and that they tend to get more public airtime and attention due to their privileged status, but proportionally, I find that snobbery is spread about equally regardless of religious affiliation (or lack thereof).</p>
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		<title>By: unusualmusic</title>
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		<dc:creator>unusualmusic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tempest, do you check private messages on teh LJ? I need to speak with you urgently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tempest, do you check private messages on teh LJ? I need to speak with you urgently.</p>
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		<title>By: tempest</title>
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		<dc:creator>tempest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get in trouble every time I identify the people I&#039;m talking about as asshole atheists, though.  There&#039;s always some in every group, just as there are plenty in the group who are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get in trouble every time I identify the people I&#8217;m talking about as asshole atheists, though.  There&#8217;s always some in every group, just as there are plenty in the group who are not.</p>
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		<title>By: tempest</title>
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		<dc:creator>tempest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh?</p>
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		<title>By: tempest</title>
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		<dc:creator>tempest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Because in my experience that kind of behaviour comes from religious people much more often than it does atheists.&lt;/i&gt;

I tend to surround myself more with atheists and spiritual people than religious folks, so from my POV, I see it a lot more coming from atheists (particularly as compared to spiritual people, who are/can be different from religious people).  Folks who follow alternate spiritualities are, in my experience, less likely to say nasty things about atheists.  Like me, they share the philosophy of my soul, my business, your soul (or whatever), your business.  Now, I see a fair amount of nastiness from them about religious folks, particularly Christians, and that anger comes from, I think, a similar place as atheist anger about Christianity.  And there&#039;s plenty to be angry about.

But as far as what &quot;group&quot; I&#039;m in, I&#039;m not religious at all.  So I don&#039;t have that particular privilege.  Though others have argued that, because I am not atheist, I automatically get believer&#039;s privilege.  I&#039;m willing to be persuaded otherwise, but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s true.  People who follow spiritual paths that aren&#039;t respected by (and are sometimes condemned by) the dominant religion in the culture are just as likely to be on the receiving end of prejudice as atheists.  Christians don&#039;t respect me any more than they respect you.  

I don&#039;t think you&#039;re amoral at all.  My particular feeling about any atheist is that I don&#039;t care if you believe god/a god/some gods exist or not as it doesn&#039;t have any bearing on my life.  I don&#039;t follow a philosophy that condemns people who don&#039;t believe what I believe.  Actions are what I&#039;m more concerned about.

And I cannot stress enough that I did not express any condemnation of atheists&#039; personal beliefs.

I&#039;m also harder on atheists and spiritual people about this issue because, frankly, I feel that since we and you are an oppressed group and know what it feels like to have slurs hurled at us for stupid reasons, that this behavior should not be mirrored.  There&#039;s a difference between being critical of religion and religious people because of the bad things that come out of organized religion (which I am) and just being nasty.  Just as I get angry when black people are anti-gay because I feel like, 1 - they should know better and 2 - haven&#039;t we learned anything from people being racist at us?  Like, that it&#039;s bad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Because in my experience that kind of behaviour comes from religious people much more often than it does atheists.</i></p>
<p>I tend to surround myself more with atheists and spiritual people than religious folks, so from my POV, I see it a lot more coming from atheists (particularly as compared to spiritual people, who are/can be different from religious people).  Folks who follow alternate spiritualities are, in my experience, less likely to say nasty things about atheists.  Like me, they share the philosophy of my soul, my business, your soul (or whatever), your business.  Now, I see a fair amount of nastiness from them about religious folks, particularly Christians, and that anger comes from, I think, a similar place as atheist anger about Christianity.  And there&#8217;s plenty to be angry about.</p>
<p>But as far as what &#8220;group&#8221; I&#8217;m in, I&#8217;m not religious at all.  So I don&#8217;t have that particular privilege.  Though others have argued that, because I am not atheist, I automatically get believer&#8217;s privilege.  I&#8217;m willing to be persuaded otherwise, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s true.  People who follow spiritual paths that aren&#8217;t respected by (and are sometimes condemned by) the dominant religion in the culture are just as likely to be on the receiving end of prejudice as atheists.  Christians don&#8217;t respect me any more than they respect you.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re amoral at all.  My particular feeling about any atheist is that I don&#8217;t care if you believe god/a god/some gods exist or not as it doesn&#8217;t have any bearing on my life.  I don&#8217;t follow a philosophy that condemns people who don&#8217;t believe what I believe.  Actions are what I&#8217;m more concerned about.</p>
<p>And I cannot stress enough that I did not express any condemnation of atheists&#8217; personal beliefs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also harder on atheists and spiritual people about this issue because, frankly, I feel that since we and you are an oppressed group and know what it feels like to have slurs hurled at us for stupid reasons, that this behavior should not be mirrored.  There&#8217;s a difference between being critical of religion and religious people because of the bad things that come out of organized religion (which I am) and just being nasty.  Just as I get angry when black people are anti-gay because I feel like, 1 &#8211; they should know better and 2 &#8211; haven&#8217;t we learned anything from people being racist at us?  Like, that it&#8217;s bad?</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why shouldn&#039;t people be free from religion. Seriously. What&#039;s wrong with that? Why not be free from having things shoved down your throat? That doesn&#039;t preclude people from having religions, just from treating their religion as if it&#039;s universal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why shouldn&#8217;t people be free from religion. Seriously. What&#8217;s wrong with that? Why not be free from having things shoved down your throat? That doesn&#8217;t preclude people from having religions, just from treating their religion as if it&#8217;s universal.</p>
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